Roger Montgomery is the Founder and Chairman of Montgomery Investment Management. Roger has over three decades of experience in funds management and related activities, including equities analysis, equity and derivatives strategy, trading and stockbroking. Prior to establishing Montgomery, Roger held positions at Ord Minnett Jardine Fleming, BT (Australia) Limited and Merrill Lynch.
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n this appearance on Market Moves with Richard Gonclaves, Roger Montgomery not only reveals his top two A1 healthcare stocks, but also a speculative play in the sector and his 2010, 2011 and 2012 valuations for BHP and RIO. Watch the interview.
Roger Montgomery reveals the A1 stock he thinks will outperform the market to Richard Gonclaves on Market Moves. In this appearance Roger also explains why the value of Telstra (TLS) has done nothing for the past ten years, the problem with classic commodity businesses such as Woodside (WPL) and Santos (STO) and reveals his valuations for Transurban, Ten Network and Fairfax. Watch the interview.
Roger Montgomery always talks about buying A1 businesses at great prices, but what does a business need to do to get Roger’s A1 score for quality and performance? High ROE that is also superior to its peers, strong competitive advantage, stability of earnings, low chance of default, great management, low debt. In his appearance on Your Money Your Call Roger also shares his thoughts on UGL Limited (UGL), Dolomartix (DMX), Cochlear (COH), Incite Pivot (IPL), Alumina (AWC) and AWB Limited (AWB). Watch the interview.
When you buy shares in a business, always ask: Is the business able to sustain very high rates of its return on equity? The only way to do this is if the business has a sustainable competitive advantage. In this appearance on Your Money Your Call Roger Montgomery also gives his insights on Iron Ore and investing in infrastructure businesses. Watch the interview.
On Your Money Your Call with Nina May Roger Montgomery tells viewers why Brambles is a mediocre business, explains that NAB is the poorest performer of Australia’s big four banks, guides investors on the steps to take to avoid being caught out by bad news and cautions against investing in speculative mining companies. Watch the interview.
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The requests for valuations and insights have been coming in thick and fast, and I have to confess to being a little surprised. The vast majority of requests have been for great quality businesses, some of them even the ‘A1’ companies that I alluded to on the Sky Business Channel a few weeks ago (the highlights will be on my YouTube channel in the next week or so).
If you have sent me an email requesting my insights and valuation for a particular business, thank you. You have uncovered some really interesting stories.
Lloyd, who was kind enough to drive me to the airport following my ASX Investor Hour presentation in Perth last November, suggested one such company to me, Forge Group Limited (FGE). At the time, FGE was trading at a bit more than a dollar.
If my memory serves me correctly, Lloyd bought the stock around 30 cents. I looked at it, ran it through my models and liked it a lot. For a tiny little company it was a true A1 – very high quality on all counts. It had also doubled its profits a few times.
Today it trades at $2.82 and has received a bid for 50% from Clough Limited. They have a hide! This company is potentially worth a great deal more, but don’t take my word for it – remember that you should see my view as just one more opinion, should always conduct your own valuations and research, and if necessary, seek independent advice from someone familiar with your financial circumstances and needs.
If you asked me to value a particular business, and there have been a few requests, I would have explained that I will do my best to post a valuation up as soon as possible but those companies that received the most requests would be posted first.
So here are my insights, and valuations, for the most popular businesses, as requested by you over recent weeks and even months.
Electrical contractor, Southern Cross Electrical Engineering Ltd (SXE)
Prior to its capital raising and downgrade, SXE was expected to generate Returns on Equity in excess of 37% in 2010 and 30% in 2012. Recent events however are likely to see these numbers fall to 22% and 27% respectively. The value today is 96 cents and lower than the current price, however the value next year, if it can earn the new forecast numbers, will be higher than the current price. You need to satisfy yourself that the revised expectations are indeed achievable.
Pawn shop chain (and commercial microfinance operator), Cash Converters International (CCV)
There has been a lot of interest in Cash Converters. I have seen these stores and while I cannot see them becoming a retailing powerhouse like a JB Hi-Fi or even The Reject Shop, that may not be the company’s intention. More than 2/3rds of reported profits are generated from secured and unsecured small personal loans that are distributed by a network of 509 second hand goods stores. CCV has the metrics of an attractive business indeed its an “A” class stock, but scale is the issue. Just how big can they ever be? If we remember that we want a) Big Equity and b) Big Returns on Equity, then I can see the big returns on equity but Big Equity may be someway off.
The value of CCV today however is 74 cents – about ten cents higher than the current price, and based on current estimates is worth 93 cents in a couple of years. Those valuations compare favourably to the current price and very favourably to the 32 cents the shares traded at in March 2009. Always keep in mind that you want to buy these sorts of stories at very big discounts to intrinsic value.
Figure 1. CCV’s historical and forecast earnings and dividends per share
On the surface here’s a company that has the quality characteristics I like and is at a discount to intrinsic value. The only question mark is about how big they can get. If you intend to trade shares of CCV seek independent financial advice from a qualified professional who is familiar with your needs and circumstances and do not rely on the general nature of comments posted here.
Investors must also be aware of the impact of the intention of the Consumer Credit Code Amendment Bill 2007 and the subsequent Fee, Credit and Transition Bills as they relate to the nationalisation of regulation of operators such as Cash Converters and its perceived competitors, such as City Finance.
(Postscript: ‘Reg’s’ comment below and my response are worth reading and considering and investors should pay attention to the growth of the company’s loan book and the relationship with its new largest shareholder and try to get answers to the questions I pose about continued growth and the ongoing relationship of loan book growth to retail stores)
Online job lister, Seek Limited (SEK)
Seek is a great business. Like all of the world’s most successful internet stories, it’s a plain old list. And it has developed that competitive advantage some companies achieve when scale and popularity leads to ‘essentialness’. People search for jobs at seek.com.au because there are lots of jobs, and there are lots of jobs because lots of people look for jobs there. I haven’t worked out if reaching this point is a function of strategy or dumb luck, but by definition someone has to make it to this point and he who gets there generates a lot of money and a high Return on Equity that is protected from imitation.
Seek is no exception, and its Return on Equity is expected to exceed 30% over the next two and half years. But while ROE is good and its earnings and intrinsic value growth is heading in a smooth north easterly direction, the fact remains that its popularity, as reflected in the current price of $7.90, is well in excess of the value, which is closer to $5.00 and rising to $6.30 in a couple of years. Sorry guys! Of course it was available to buy below $5.00 as recently as August last year, but that is of little use to you now. Patience is required.
Cranes for hire company, Boom Logistics Limited (BOL)
Boom Logistics is a business I remember reviewing when it floated. I was there at the IPO briefing and even then I didn’t like it. And didn’t I look foolish not taking any stock – it shot up from its listing price of 99 cents to almost $4.00 in less than 28 months.
I can sometimes get very frustrated knowing what a business is really worth and since 2005, the value of this business has been declining, along with its Returns on Equity. In 2004 ROE was 30% and today it is expected to approach 4.5%. Because you can do better in a bank account with no risk, you should think very carefully about investing in BOL. It is trading at 33 cents, but its value is less than 10 cents.
Hospital operator, Ramsay Health Care Limited (RHC)
Ramsay Healthcare is a business whose ‘theme’ I like. The population of Australia is ageing – the number of people over 75 will double in the next decade and a half, and while that will bring much sadness, the reality is that hospitals are there to provide the care that an ageing population needs. Despite a great story, hospitals aren’t that easy to run well.
You see, unlike most other businesses, hospitals can’t simply place a price on a service based on its cost and add a mark-up. Instead, they have to deal with insurance pay scales, meaning hospitals will make more money taking care of some patients and not others, and this is often not within their control.
Generally, hospitals make more money when more things happen to patients, such as pathology tests, diagnostic and therapeutic procedures, and operations. Operations are usually reimbursed at a higher rate than a medical patient, and while length of stay counts, its usually the hospital that has more surgical patients is the one that makes more money.
Conversely, a patient who lingers in a hospital is costing them money as their ongoing care may not be justified and they are blocking that bed from receiving another, better paying patient. Ever had a baby in hospital and felt like you were being booted out before your were ready? Anyone?
This is just the tip of the iceberg, but explains why running a hospital is so much more challenging than selling DVD’s to teenagers.
Having said that, Ramsay is doing a good job, as Figure 1 testifies.
Figure 2. RHC’s historical and forecast earnings and dividends per share
Of course, there is a bit of hockey-stick optimism in the forecasts, and you can thank my peers in the analyst community for that. More importantly however, the hospital is generating Returns on Equity of about 14% over the next three years, up from circa 10% in the last few years.
The value of the business is rising, along with the returns. In 2000 Ramsay’s intrinsic value was just 58 cents. In 2012 its forecast intrinsic value is $8.13. – that’s an increase of 25 percent per year! Exceptional, but the price has never allowed investors to buy at a discount to intrinsic value.
In April 2000 RHC shares traded as low as 74 cents, but never below the 2001 valuation of 91 cents. Since then you have had to buy the shares above intrinsic value in order to participate in the growth in intrinsic value. But whereas in 2000 you only needed to wait a year for intrinsic value to catch up, you would be waiting much longer today. With the shares currently priced at $13.50, even a 2 -year wait won’t see the value catch up. It looks a little pricey now.
Keep in mind that I cannot predict share prices. I can tell you what things are really worth and tell you that over time price and value catch up with each other one way or another, but that is all I can tell you. I guess I can also vouch, having managed a couple of hundred million dollars, that if you buy good businesses below intrinsic value, things tend to work out ok.
Mining laboratory operator and cleaning solution seller, Campbell Brothers Limited (CPB)
Second last on the list is Campbell Brothers. Its been generating a decent Return on Equity for a decade, and its intrinsic value has been rising every year in that time. But like Ramsay, CPB’s intrinsic value will still not have reached the current price, even in 2012. I reckon it is worth $20 in 2011, and today its trading at $29.
Finally, one that needs no introduction, ASX Limited (ASX)
I have written about the ASX in my forthcoming book, Value.able. The ASX is worth less than $21 today and intrinsic value should rise to $26 in 2012. But Returns on Equity are not a patch on other companies, averaging 13.5% over the next few years. And despite the monopoly characteristics the company evidently has, it has not been able to charge what it wants for fear of emigration to rivals applying to set up. As a result, there is some correlation to the direction of the stock market, and predicting it is like predicting the price of a commodity – difficult.
Is your hand still up?
I have deliberately left out any discussion about debt, so be sure the companies you are investing in have little or none. There is much more on this in Value.able, including a chapter devoted to when to sell.
I hope you are getting a great deal of use from these valuations and I look forward to your comments and input.
Posted by Roger Montgomery, 19 March 2009
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