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Tech Wreck MkII: Is this time different?

Tech Wreck MkII: Is this time different?

If you’re playing a poker game and you look around the table and can’t tell who the sucker is, it’s you.”  Paul Newman

Great men are not always wise” Job 32:9

If one man says to thee, ”Thou art a donkey’,’ pay no heed. If two speak thus, purchase a saddle.”  “Doubt cannot override certainty”  The Talmud

The seed ye sow, another reaps; The wealth ye find, another keeps; The robes ye weave, another wears; The arms ye forge, another bears.”  Percy Bysshe Shelley

If you are watching events unfold in the US like me, you’re probably hearing a lot about the tech stock frenzy going on over there.  Stunning IPO successes this financial year are once again drawing a crowd. But are we looking at a Tech Bubble MkII? Are the big banks, without a suite of CDSs and CDOs to sell, now performing the same cup-and-ball trick on a different table? Or is this time genuinely different?

Read on – you be the judge (my mate Jim Roger’s is short “US Tech”, and I never ever allow myself to believe this time is different to the last).

YouKu

Based in Beijing and now listed on the Nasdaq, YouKu is China’s answer to YouTube. The stock closed at $33.44 on its first day of trading in December 2010 (its now $28.04) – that’s 160 percent above its offer price of $12.80! The company offered 15.8 million shares of American Depository Receipts (ADRs), representing 16 percent of the total shares, giving it market cap of $3.3 billion or 71 times revenue. Youku generated revenue of $35 million in the first nine months to 31 December 2010 and lost $25 million during the same period.

Founded in November 2005 and launched in December 2006, YouKu never really relied on user-generated content. More than 60 per cent of its videos are from traditional media companies in China. The company has 40 per cent penetration amongst China’s 420 million internet users. YouKu claims 200 million unique visitors a month in China, however independent comScore estimates a smaller 78 million.

LinkedIn

LinkedIn was priced at $45 per share but traded between $80 and $120 for more than a week after listing, giving the company a market ‘valuation’ as high as $11 billion. Unlike many of the tech stocks that tempted investors in 1999 and early 2000, LinkedIn is profitable.

The company reported its first quarter revenue in 2011 was up 110 percent to $93.9 million compared to pcp (previous corresponding period) and ‘Net income’ increased to $2.08 million for the same period, compared to $1.81 million for pcp.

But there is profitable and there is ridiculous. An $11 billion valuation, or more than 22 times revenue for a business that earns 2 per cent on its revenue, seems, at best, unconnected to the underlying financials. Even someone like me that pays no attention to price or revenue multiples can see that.

Yandex

On 26 May 2011, Yandex NV (YNDX), owner of Russia’s version of Google and the country’s most popular Internet search engine, listed on the NASDAQ. Yandex sold 52.2 million shares (or 16.2 percent) at $25 per share, raising $1.3 billion and valuing the company at $8 billion. On their first day of trading the shares rose $13.84, to $38.84, giving the company a market capitalisation of $12.4 billion or a multiple of 43 times next year’s forecast earnings. For those seeking a reference point (not a valuation), Google trades at about 13 times estimated 2012 earnings.

Total online advertising in Russia climbed 51 percent from 2008 through 2010, but still amounts to just $940 million! Private equity accounted for seventy per cent of the shares sold in the Yandex float.

Renren Network

The demand for shares in Renren – the Facebook of China with 117 million users* – was clear days before it floated on 2 May 2011 (the company raised the expected price range of its IPO of 53.1 million shares by 30 percent to $12 to $14 per share from a previous range of $9 to $11). The float raised about $743 million and gave the company a valuation of more than $4 billion, or 52 times sales. Renren’s net revenues were $76.5 million in 2010, up 64 per cent from $46.7 million in 2009 and up from $13.8 million in 2008. Renren had a net loss in 2010 of $64.1 million, down from $70.1 million in 2009.

The head of Renren’s audit committee, who is also a board member, quit after allegations of fraud against Longtop Finanicial Technologies. The company also revised down its unique user numbers to a rise of 19 per cent (it originally advised 29 per cent).

Renren said in its prospectus that it operates under a prohibition against posting content that, “impairs the national dignity of China” or is “superstitious”, or content that is “socially destabilising.”

If Renren fails to comply, the company says its websites could be shut down. Clearly that could put it out of business.

The company also has a “material weakness” and a “significant deficiency” in its internal financial controls: it doesn’t have enough people with knowledge of U.S. GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles). Eighty seven per cent of Renren’s leased office floor area did not have the proper title documents.

*Renren doesn’t really seem sure how many users it has. According to its April 27 revised IPO filing, monthly unique log-in user base grew by only 5 million, or 19 per cent, in the first quarter of 2011 – not the 7 million, or 29 per cent, it reported in its first filing only 12 days earlier.

Pandora (not the charms)

Online radio operator Pandora runs an online personal music service – with applications for the iPhone and Google’s Android mobile operating system – that lets users pick songs, styles/genres and bands from which to build a personal radio station. As at the end of April, Pandora has about 94 million registered users, of which 34 million are considered active. This is up from 18 million at the same time last year.

Pandora offered 14.7 million shares, or just 10 per cent of the total float at $16, raising around $235 million and putting a valuation of $2.6b on the whole shebang. Pandora was priced at about 19 times revenue for last year. Revenue Value.able Graduates, not NPAT.

Pandora has not reported any profits in 2010 or 2011. Indeed in the last three years, Pandora has lost $46.7 million and the company said in its IPO filing that it doesn’t expect to be profitable this year or next. Worryingly, it doesn’t say when it expects to be profitable.

In the weeks prior to listing, the lead manager, Morgan Stanley, raised the expected price range from $7-$9 to $10-$12. Then, after the marketing period ended, priced the shares at the final listing price of $16.

And it gets more fascinating. On its first day of trading, Pandora shares rose as much as 63 per cent to a high of $26, giving it a market capitalisation of $4.2b. A competitor listed on the Nasdaq, Sirius XM, trades at 2.6 times revenue.

According to documents filed with the SEC just six months ago, Pandora’s own board reckoned its stock’s value was/is $3.14 a share, or a market capitalisation of about $500 million.

Pandora generated revenue of $51 million in the first quarter ending April 30 – more than double the $21.6 million for the pcp. The company however lost $6.8 million in the first quarter this year, up from around $3 million in the same quarter last year.

Until recently advertising has represented more than 90 percent of revenue, however revenue from subscriptions (which lets subscribers skip the advertisements the company’s other customers pay for to appear between songs) has been growing. At the end of April, subscription revenue was about 15 per cent and is growing at more than 100 per cent per annum.

But more than 50 per cent of total revenue is paid for song rights and the more people that listen to music through Pandora, the higher this royalty grows. Pandora has an agreement with SoundExchange for its streaming rights that expires in 2015. Between now and 2015, the rates Pandora pays are expected to go up by 37 per cent for songs streamed by free listeners, and by 47 per cent for songs streamed by paid subscribers. In addition to these fees, Pandora has deals with BMI and SESAC to pay 1.75 per cent and 0.38 per cent of gross revenue respectively. In order to become profitable, Pandora will need revenue per user to go up. And it will need a new deal with the music labels.

The share price is now below $16.

Bubbles? This Time is Different!

Ok. Enough of the fundamentals, no one is paying attention to those anyway. From what I have been reading there are many experts who are saying… what exactly? That this time is different!

Those who believe this time is different to the tech boom of the late 90’s point out that 90’s technology companies never generated profits or even revenue. Pandora however has a revenue model, and it’s rare to see today’s tech IPO without one. Effectively the ‘experts’ are suggesting the tech stocks listing today are more mature. Some investors and analysts even brushed off red flags like Renren revising down its user and user growth numbers just before its float, saying China is still the biggest internet market in the world and its rapid growth will continue. They suggest that figures reported by Chinese companies should be used for directional guidance, rather than as quantitative truths.

And that’s pretty much their argument.

My team and I have the ability to analyse every single listed company, globally (and the indices on which they are based), with fundamental data that is updated daily (very soon you will have the opportunity to use our extraordinary A1 service for every Australian company too, so don’t be tempted by all those end of financial year special offers).

Our intrinsic value analysis for the companies described above, and many of their more mature peers in the US and elsewhere, reveals gullible investors are once again being taken for a whimsical ride accompanied by a flagrant disregard for value.

Bubbles can go a long time before popping, and given that bubbles are best identified by credit excesses, not solely valuation excesses, we may be only in the very early stages of the bubble in technology stocks (but very close to the bubble bursting in US TBonds).

Your thoughts?

Posted by Roger Montgomery and his A1 team, fund managers and creators of the next-generation A1 service for stock market investors, 19 June 2011.

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14 Comments

  1. I Certainly cannot see any value.
    The ‘technical traders’ and the ‘greater fool’ players seem to having great fun, and entertainment though. The promotes/sellers are probably making money.

  2. Hi Roger,

    I don’t think that I have invented the wheel, we all have many ratio we use but it might be just another one!

    This week I will try it with a few companies to see what if anything it tells me but I think at this stage that it might help in some way.

    Yes Roger I will be sending it to YOU when I have finished with it. I want to check that I don’t look foolish.

    Thanks always Roger

  3. Is this time different are the 5 most foolish words any rational person can put into a sentence.

    We have some perverse view that we are somehow more inteligent than our forefathers.

    Rogoff and Reinhart published an excellent book in 2009 with this very title and I would recommend everyone read it because it is never different this time.

    • I agree Ash, hasn’t those words been mentioned in regards to almost every other bubble bursting or foolish purchase.

      As i have not had an in depth looka t it i don’t know for sure whether we are looking at the second coming of the tech boom or somethign along the likes but my gut tells me that people are getting a bit silly.

      I do believe that at some point the words “this time is different” will be correct. It has to be at some point. I think i read that eddison failed about a 1000 times before inventing the light bulb or something like that. i am sure he said “this time is different” every single time when asked why he is continuing, he was right once.

      i think there is an investing lesson in there. At some stage the words “this time is different” will be right, but for every time those words are right there will be probably a thousdand or more times when it is wrong so there is not a high success rate in those words.

      Rational analysis and buying based on a logical valuation seems like a better bet.

      Blind hope can make us do great things, but investing money successfully is not one of them.

  4. This time it is different!

    It’s actually worse!

    Because we know how much these companies are already earning or losing in most cases. There is not much hoping for blue sky and imagination as was back in 2000. So as back then companies had ideas but no users and revenue, today there is the ideas and lots of users BUT little profits to show especially compared to the current market valuations of most of these companies.

    Interesting that it seems this bubble is contained more to the US and china rather than everywhere else (Australia).

    All I have to say is Good Luck to them!

  5. Hi Roger,

    I have come across a new ratio that I believe helps with the qualitative and quantitative side of a business but I am still trying to understand its exact purpose, ( I might need your help Roger.)

    What I think this ratio is telling me is how the company compares with other companies in the same sector and how it compares to it self from its past performance ( financial history. )

    Some examples, please try to understand I am only trying it and it has nothing to do with ( charting )

    Forge ( fge ) is finding thing more difficult but still ahead of others.

    The reject shop ( trs ) is finding things more difficult and behind others in the same sector

    Fleetwood ( fwd ) finding things more difficult. ( would want to see next report before final judgement or entry)

    Harvey Norman ( hvn ) find things more and more difficult.

    Seek professional advice

    Thanks Roger

    • Happy to help Fred…go ahead and send me an email with the details and I will dissect. Just so you don’t think you have invented the wheel; We don’t own TRS or HVN and recently sold Fleetwood above $13. Still have a small position in Forge. Sounds like the return on invested effort ratio.

      • Hey Roger, would you be happy to share with us what proportion of FUM you have in stocks at the moment? I remember before this recent downturn you mentioned you had around 11%. Was wondering if the recent downturn presented good enough MOS for you to buy.
        Thanks
        Tiago

  6. Hey Roger,

    I know this will tick a few of your favourite boxes. This is where the money went from Groupon’s $1bn capital raisings last year:

    “The details: Groupon raised a total of $946 million in two funding rounds last winter. It kept $136 million of it help run the money-losing company. The remaining $810 million was paid out, via stock purchases, to CEO Andrew Mason and some of his backers, including Eric Lefkofsky, and, notably, the Samwer brothers…”

    The article title is “Where did Groupon’s Billions go?”, 3rd link down on google if you search that title (To avoid posting the link)

  7. Hi Roger,

    I heard that Facebook is down on users in the United states but I cannot verify that, if that is true and USA is one of the first to use Facebook then it maybe possible that Facebook has a small time frame of interest.

    Thanks Roger

  8. Vishal Hargovan
    :

    After experiencing the dot com boom at the start of my investing career, I did wonder how long it would take for the same mistakes to be made again. Although I did expect a repeat performance by Mr Market, 10 years seems awefully soon in the context of investor memories! Yes the degree to which this tech boom is developing is not yet as severe as the last one, however as some of the examples above show, it may be just as painful for a new generation of “investors”.

  9. Here’s something I posted previously about OTH Onthehouse.com.au. Essentially they were raising money to pay for acquisitions of other websites, and were not yet profitable.

    “OTH Onthehouse IPO

    I have only looked into this briefly, as the closing date is nearly upon us.

    Issuing 55m shares is likely to result in around $1.1 of equity per share, and the offer price is $1. However, total shareholder’s equity is 60.306m, and the company counts among its assets 62.578m of intangibles. 39.4m of this is goodwill, which they state will not need writing down (page 50 of the prospectus). Intangibles also include 13.3m of customer contacts and relationships, which they plan on writing down by a couple of million over the next few years (also on page 50).

    42m of the 55m raised is going towards the purchase of Console, while another 7.5m is going towards the acquisiton of PortPlus. The ‘goodwill’ on each is 28m and 11.3m respectively.

    Onthehouse itself is not turning a profit, but predicts an NPAT of around 2m in 2012, after the acquisitions of Console and PortPlus.

    If we ignore the goodwill, we are left with 20.1m of shareholder’s equity, or 38c of equity per share. An NPAT of 2m would come close to a return on equity of 10%. So their intrinsic value would be somewhere near their equity per share value of 38c. Return on equity would be closer to 3% on the actual pro forma numbers, thanks to carrying all that goodwill.

    I might give this one a miss.”

    OTH has now listed, and is yet to close above its offer price. To be fair, the whole market has been down recently. So OTH has missed out on the ‘hype’ that is being dished out to other tech IPO’s. I suspect that is because most people have never heard of it.

    I received a letter from one of the firms running the float, who said OTH would ‘revolutionize’ the real estate industry. It did not make reference to realestate.com.au or domain.com.au. Neither did it make reference to the fact that OTH was not profitable.

    It seems OTH has the dubious honour of belonging to both the ‘overpriced acquisitions’ and ‘unprofitable internet company’ families.

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