Paying Dividends
The emerging debate about whether the politically suicidal decision to reduce the tax benefits of franking credits and by extension the attractiveness of dividends for income, brings to my mind the company run by Warren Buffett – Berkshire Hathaway. This is a business that has not paid a dividend since 1967, but has created thousands of millionaires and quite a few billionaires too.
Simply retaining profits and generating a return on equity of circa 20 per cent for half a century has seen the shares rise from $40 to over $200,000 each.
The below discussion is worth repeating.
Take Australia’s largest generational cohort, the baby boomers – all desperate for income – and then feed them some of the lowest interest rates on their cash in history. Before doing that, engineer a stock market crash, just a few years earlier, ensuring they have a disproportionately large amount of their remaining wealth sitting in said cash.
Now you have the ingredients for a boom in the pursuit of yield and any asset promising one, but it’s important to take a step back from the noise to see the wood from the trees.
Unbridled pursuit of yield
Reading the share market tables last month, I realised that the plethora of price/ earnings ratios above 20 is not normal. A 20-year payback period at current earnings rates is a general reflection of hope and unbridled optimism, and while it can be explained, it’s not normal. Nor is it permanent.
The pursuit of yield through dividend-paying shares is analogous to a mindless heard of bison stampeding towards a cliff. Wall Street will sell what Wall Street can sell. Right now selling yield and income is the easiest game in town. Investors are predisposed to hearing the siren song of income and advisers and product issuers are rushing to feed the hoards. There are only a few who are willing to question the conventional thinking about pursuing yield at all costs.
My belief is that the pendulum will swing back and this time is no different to other periods of unbridled optimism. But that is not the subject for discussion today.
Should companies pay high dividends?
Rather, let’s look at a different view of dividends that suggests businesses, shareholders and even Australia as a whole are missing out by the groveling to investors’ demand for income.
At Montgomery we love income. Don’t get me wrong; there’s nothing quite as satisfying as receiving cash without having contributed any sweat or labour. But are dividends the best way for companies to reward their investors? We have always held the view that when a business is able to generate a high rate of return on incremental equity, it behooves management to retain profits and reinvest, rather than paying them out. And shareholders are better off financially because in the long run, the share price – at constant price/earnings ratios and assuming no capital raisings or borrowing increases – will rise by the return on equity multiplied by one minus the payout ratio. Buy shares in a company at a price/earnings ratio of 10 times and if the company generates a return on equity of 20 per cent per annum and you sell the shares years from now on a price/earnings of 10 times, your return will be 20 per cent per annum, matching the Return On Equity of the company.
Of course a company can produce a similar result by paying all the earnings out as a dividend and issuing shares through a renounceable rights issue but if a company can generate high rates of return on equity it should be given the capital to do just that.
Assume you own a bank with equity on the balance sheet of $5 million. We will assume this bank generates an attractive return on both existing and incremental equity of 15 per cent – not unlike some of its bigger rivals. We will also assume that if the shares were to trade between willing participants, they would price those shares at two times the equity value – again not unlike the multiple applied to your bank’s bigger competitors – giving your business market value of $10 million. With your bank earning 15 per cent return on $5 million of equity, or $750,000 in the first year, the multiple of earnings at which pieces of your bank would change hands would be an undemanding 13.3 times.
Like many Australian listed companies the board of your bank has acquiesced to baby boomer shareholder demands for more income. It maintains a very high 80 per cent payout ratio, meaning 80 per cent of the company’s annual return is received as dividends and only 20 per is reinvested.
In year one the bank will earn a profit of $750,000 and the dividend will be $600,000 and $150,000 will be reinvested to grow the future profits of the bank. These metrics will produce growth in both equity and dividends of about 3 per cent per annum assuming no additional debt or equity.
After 10 years of these wonderful metrics, and with a bank still generating 15 per cent return on equity, the equity will have grown to $6,719,582. Given the willingness of investors to buy banks for two times the equity, the market value of your bank would now be a little over $13.4 million. But it is not just the asset value that has risen. Your dividends are rising too. After a decade, the dividend in the upcoming year would be $806,350, having grown by 3 per cent per annum.
Under the scenario just described both your net worth and your income has grown steadily at 3 per cent per annum.
Sell shares instead of taking income
The above scenario however is not the only way to derive the desired outcome. The company is forcing you to take a dividend when in fact the return you can achieve is far less than 15 per cent. Logic suggests that if the business can continue to generate 15 per cent on all and any incremental equity, it should indeed do so. But what do the owners do for income if the company is retaining all the profits to redeploy at 15 per cent?
The answer is they can sell some shares. Now, before you write off the proposal as sacrilege, follow through this example of selling-your-shares-along-the-way.
Under the alternative strategy, you leave all earnings in the company and instead sell 6 per cent of your shares in the company annually. Since the shares would be sold at 200 per cent of the equity on the balance sheet, this approach would produce the same $600,000 of cash initially, and growing each year. As you will see shortly however the growth rate is about 8 per cent per year.
Under this strategy, the equity of the company obviously rises faster – to $20.2 million after a decade ($5 million compounded at 15 per cent per annum for a decade).
To receive income you sell shares each year. The perceived downside of this strategy is that as you sell more shares each year, your percentage stake in the business declines. In a decade’s time, your stake would be 53.86 per cent. But perhaps surprisingly, the market value of your stake is actually worth more than under the first scenario. The equity, you might recall has been growing at 15 per cent and trades at two times the equity. It now has a market value of $21.8 million. This compares favourably to the $13.4 million market value of a 100 per cent stake in the equity of the company in the ‘take the dividend now’ scenario.
Perhaps even more surprisingly, the cash receipts from selling shares have been higher every year since the second year began. In the tenth year, the cash from selling a 6 per cent stake is almost 78 per cent higher than the first strategy at just under $1.4 million. Obviously, you would not have to sell as large a stake if you didn’t need the additional cash.
Many advisors and investors however would point to the fact that capital gains might be taxed at a higher rate than franked dividends but they forget two things. The first is that many baby boomer investors pay no tax at all. Even after franking credits are added back, the second scenario is a whole lot more attractive. And second, for those investors that do pay tax, the capital gains are only paid on the difference between the purchase and sale price (and subject to CGT discounts), whereas tax is paid on 100 per cent of the grossed-up value of the dividends received.
There are many real world examples
Moving away from hypotheticals to the real world, many attractive businesses generate rates of return on equity that are much higher than 15 per cent and the market is also willing to pay much more than two times book. REA Group currently trades for 14 times its equity value and Domino’s Pizza at nine times equity. Clearly, there is no need to sell as many shares to make up the income you might like annually.
It is reasonable to conclude that you would be much better off financially if the very best businesses – those that can retain profits and reinvest them at very high rates of return – paid no dividends at all and allowed shareholders to make up their own minds about how much income they needed.
Baby boomers demanding income are therefore stripping from companies the ability to generate even higher returns for them and therefore ripping themselves off. Perhaps ‘generation now’ is a more apt label for baby boomers after all.
Roger Montgomery is the founder and Chief Investment Officer of Montgomery Investment Management. To invest with Montgomery, find out more.
Brodie Nicholson
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Very interesting Roger. I do agree with others that there may be risk with companies trading for long periods at a discount to intrinsic value and being forced to sell at this time for income.
I’m also cautious of the flip side, which is companies that do retain profits when they really shouldn’t… of course we are not looking not to buy those companies so…
Anyway my contribution based on some quick calculations is that the retain profits/sell shares model benefits you even more as you move up the tax brackets!
Roger Montgomery
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Indeed. Good observation Brodie.
PETER HORNE
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WELL for me MY share portfolio is outside super as I started in share market in 1999 as my only income having gone up and down and when crash came I extended my margin loan and bought more shares now when I can see the light at end of tunnel one has to think about possible loss of $30000 in franking credits it is not problem I will just sell down my shares buy nice house for around $750000 and new car for around $70000 instead of my second hand one that only cost $9000 take trip over sea stay at 4 star hotel where before I only travel economy and instead of supporting my self the government will pay me pension as I am already 67
AND as for paying high dividends ok so reduce them to 60 -70 per cent but as for but to stop and let company use all profit NO WAY Warren Buffet is god compared to many of company management on ASX what about HIH insurance or ALLAN BOND where is the money from bell resources only small change $1,000,000,000 and for that one has only to look at NAB bank they have done poor job of using investors funds to build company over last 10 years keep investing and loosing money had 60 million stolen in Ireland and was not even insured try getting house loan with out insuring the house for them share price was $ 44 BEFORE correction
AND last Wesfarmers take over of COLES thank god Coles CEO one of boys appointment never worked in FOOD industry ran Pallet firm how many MILLION pallets did they miss place in USA at least WES went out and found expert in food industry to run business
I held Coles shares now WES and top up during GFC
also held NAB before GFC and also top up during GFC
also hold Westpac BANK company that share price went down to $3 yes only three dollars caused by 1987 crash there bad lending practices nearly out back door Management again INCLUDING BOARD if they want to save money to invest pay these expert managers less or at least defer there payment for 2 years depending on special terms being meet
these people are not BUFFET
Nicholas Christian
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One Financial Adviser and Planner with ‘specialist investment’ qualifications that totally agrees.
Most people do not realise that Financial Planners ‘farm out’ investment choice to so-called ‘professionals.’ Some attempt to make the choice while others completely absolve themselves of the task to focus solely on ‘client contact & engagement’. Their ‘decision’ to follow ‘yield stocks’ comes from research and brokerage firms who have shown that time and time again they get it wrong in the long run because where their motivations lie i.e. ‘transactions’ leading to fee income.
Many leaders of our financial advice (and by what it have been told ad nauseum) industry will tell you not to bother yourself with asset selection’ as it should be left to the ‘professionals’ when most clients believe that their adviser is doing it for them based on ‘merit’ and in their ‘best interests’ All too often I have found that the ‘model portfolios’ created by AFS Licence holders are biased towards fund managers that support the licence holder and not based on merit or long term performance.
As Buffett said follow the ‘right’ people in money management (like Roger) and team and advisers with the correct motivations and qualifications.
Then he said:
“Investors should be sceptical of history-based models. Constructed by a nerdy-sounding priesthood using esoteric terms such as beta, gamma, sigma and the like, these models tend to look impressive. Too often, though, investors forget to examine the assumptions behind the models. Beware of geeks bearing formulas. “
Warren E. Buffett
jeff burnett
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Right on Roger!…….bring on the International Retail Fund to invest in no or low dividend stocks
Carlos Cobelas
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not sure I like the idea of selling off shares of a company that I really like, just to obtain income.
sooner or later I’d have no shares left !
and I’d have to keep paying lots of capital gains tax ( I am a high income earner ).
plus we have the franking credit system here which is of enormous tax benefit to investors.
paying out some sort of dividend is better than none at all,
but I agree that there is too much emphasis in Australia on paying out high dividends. A dividend payout ratio of 50% or less would be better.
Roger Montgomery
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Of course if they follow intrinsic value and that value is rising at a good clip, you will be selling fewer shares to meet your needs. Cwitness Berkshire at $200k per share. Chou might only need to sell one per year and never run out!
Gaveen Jayarajan
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But share prices can do anything in the short-term, so when you need the income right now you cannot rely upon this approach. If you started this “selling shares for income” approach just before the GFC, you would have run your balance right down. A bias to some yield with lower payout ratios strikes a better balance. Not sure about the Buffet Berkshire Hathaway analogy as it seems improbable that there are many companies that will achieve this level of success that one is likely to pick beforehand in meaningful amounts. Also, most of his big listed company holdings pay plenty of dividends don’t they? I didn’t think his stock selections were necessarily biased towards zero-dividend paying companies… other than his own…
Gaveen Jayarajan
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Just to add to this, there is a term for this ie. “sequencing risk” and the “retirement risk zone”, which you guys should be aware of being holders of CGF I would think.
Michael Shapiro
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Thanks for the analysis Roger. I believe, I have a better answer to the question what do you do for income? My answer sell PUT options on the stock and even some CALLs as well. Lodge shares as collateral. If shares keep rising, thereby increasing the value of collateral, you can sell more options every month. So you will keep your shares, and receive insurance income monthly.
Roger Montgomery
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Definitely one strategy worth investigating because it has been backtested